Relationships & Confrontation PART 2: Confrontation Between the Body of Christ and the World
Jesus is neither level-headed nor reasonable. And there is a difference between how Jesus confronts religious authorities and unbelievers.
In Transforming Power, Robert Linthicum reminds us that in the book of Luke there are 133 stories involving Jesus. In 116 of them, he is confrontational. 45 of those times, he was confronting his friends.Linthicum lays out two kinds of power: unilateral (vertical) and relational (lateral). Both can be used for good or evil. It is our responsibility, as believers, to use both of these kinds of power.
How can we exercise these kinds of power responsibly?
“We have been called by the Revolutionary One to demonstrate our love for him, with insubordinate acts of generosity and kindness, with a struggle against injustice, with an activist’s vision for a renewed world in which God is acknowledged as the one, true God, and every knee is bent in service to him.” (Michael Frost, Exiles)
A couple of confrontations that Jesus instigated:
READ [Matthew 21: 12 – 17]The only time Jesus became agressively (physically) confrontational, it was because his people were being unwelcoming. The merchants' tables were set up in the Gentile quarter, where the Gentiles were supposed to be able to offer worship in the temple.
READ [John 2: 13 – 25] The Temple story from John's perspective.Instead of asking what should we do, let’s ask what will be the consequences of us doing what Jesus would do?
A love that requires explanation [Gregory Boyd]
To ask questions that require explanation is appropriate confrontational love if done in the right motive. For instance, if the church is not drawing in the prostitutes, poor, marginalized, corrupt and lost, whose fault is it? The Lord’s? The church’s? A love for Christ and his concerns is behind the question, if it is received by others who love Christ, it will be received in love. If it is received by those who judge, the questioner will be judged for having asked the question.
Do you want to be like Jesus? Do you believe that your behavior in this case exemplifies Christ?
How do you respond when someone is against marginalized people in the church and holds a position of political power? With a spirit of humility. Where does it say that in the Bible?
If the corporations of Canada are milking the poverty of the world’s third world countries to line the pockets of rich CEO’s what should we be doing? If the lifestyle of the average Canadian is 4 times greater than the sustainability margin of the earth, what should we do? Lobby, don’t purchase from those companies, etc.
READ [Matthew 23:1-36] “Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 “The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the Scriptures. 3 So practice and obey whatever they say to you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach. 4 They crush you with impossible religious demands and never lift a finger to help ease the burden...5 “Everything they do is for show. ..13 “How terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you won’t let others enter the Kingdom of Heaven, and you won’t go in yourselves. 15 Yes, how terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn him into twice the son of hell as you yourselves are. ..23 “How terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest part of your income, but you ignore the important things of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but you should not leave undone the more important things. 24 Blind guides! You strain your water so you won’t accidentally swallow a gnat; then you swallow a camel!25 “How terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites!...27 “How terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs—beautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead people’s bones and all sorts of impurity. 28 You try to look like upright people outwardly, but inside your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness.29 “How terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! ... 33 Snakes! Sons of vipers! How will you escape the judgment of hell? ...36 I assure you, all the accumulated judgment of the centuries will break upon the heads of this very generation.”
ouch.
There is a dichotomy/tension between the older and younger Christians when they interpret this passage– how do you work toward peace and holiness? Reconciliation. Issues are never the issues. Look for the deeper meaning behind what Jesus says.
Jesus confronted these individuals for what reasons? Pharisees weren’t letting people into the Kingdom even though they weren’t getting in themselves. Is this confrontation prideful?What should we confront in our own lives? Our churches? Our city? Our country? Whatever the issues, there are Biblical principles to address each of them with – we should be aiming on the original intention of God.
Jesus and the Roman leadership:
- His direct confrontation with Caesar: [Matthew 21:15-22 (Mark 12, Luke 20)] Render to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s. What belongs to Ceasar? Everything with his image on it. What belongs to God? Everything (including Caesar!).
- His direct confrontation with Pilate: [John 18: 28-19:16]28 Jesus’ trial before Caiaphas ended in the early hours of the morning. Then he was taken to the headquarters of the Roman governor. His accusers didn’t go in themselves because it would defile them, and they wouldn’t be allowed to celebrate the Passover feast. 29 So Pilate, the governor, went out to them and asked, “What is your charge against this man?” 30 “We wouldn’t have handed him over to you if he weren’t a criminal!” they retorted. 31 “Then take him away and judge him by your own laws,” Pilate told them.“Only the Romans are permitted to execute someone,” the Jewish leaders replied. 32 This fulfilled Jesus’ prediction about the way he would die.33 Then Pilate went back inside and called for Jesus to be brought to him. “Are you the King of the Jews?” he asked him.34 Jesus replied, “Is this your own question, or did others tell you about me?”35 “Am I a Jew?” Pilate asked. “Your own people and their leading priests brought you here. Why? What have you done?” 36 Then Jesus answered, “I am not an earthly king. If I were, my followers would have fought when I was arrested by the Jewish leaders. But my Kingdom is not of this world.” 37 Pilate replied, “You are a king then?” “You say that I am a king, and you are right,” Jesus said. “I was born for that purpose. And I came to bring truth to the world. All who love the truth recognize that what I say is true.”38 “What is truth?” Pilate asked. Then he went out again to the people and told them, “He is not guilty of any crime. 39 But you have a custom of asking me to release someone from prison each year at Passover. So if you want me to, I’ll release the King of the Jews.”40 But they shouted back, “No! Not this man, but Barabbas!” (Barabbas was a criminal.)19 Then Pilate had Jesus flogged with a lead-tipped whip. 2 The soldiers made a crown of long, sharp thorns and put it on his head, and they put a royal purple robe on him. 3 “Hail! King of the Jews!” they mocked, and they hit him with their fists. 4 Pilate went outside again and said to the people, “I am going to bring him out to you now, but understand clearly that I find him not guilty.” 5 Then Jesus came out wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe. And Pilate said, “Here is the man!” 6 When they saw him, the leading priests and Temple guards began shouting, “Crucify! Crucify!” “You crucify him,” Pilate said. “I find him not guilty.” 7 The Jewish leaders replied, “By our laws he ought to die because he called himself the Son of God.” 8 When Pilate heard this, he was more frightened than ever. 9 He took Jesus back into the headquarters again and asked him, “Where are you from?” But Jesus gave no answer. 10 “You won’t talk to me?” Pilate demanded. “Don’t you realize that I have the power to release you or to crucify you?” 11 Then Jesus said, “You would have no power over me at all unless it were given to you from above. So the one who brought me to you has the greater sin.” 12 Then Pilate tried to release him, but the Jewish leaders told him, “If you release this man, you are not a friend of Caesar. Anyone who declares himself a king is a rebel against Caesar.” 13 When they said this, Pilate brought Jesus out to them again. Then Pilate sat down on the judgment seat on the platform that is called the Stone Pavement (in Hebrew, Gabbatha). 14 It was now about noon of the day of preparation for the Passover. And Pilate said to the people,* “Here is your king!” 15 “Away with him,” they yelled. “Away with him—crucify him!” “What? Crucify your king?” Pilate asked.“We have no king but Caesar,” the leading priests shouted back.16 Then Pilate gave Jesus to them to be crucified.
Jesus is confronting authority of Pilate and Caesar in a different way than his confrontation of the Pharisees. Saying God isn’t a King is as serious offence as saying that Caesar is above God. When we are to confront the powers-at-be, we are to do it with a degree of respect, and to confront the appropriate issues: unlove, lack of justice, lack of faith, etc.
Are we replicating the temple in our own churches with bookstores, coffee stands, etc.? What are the tables that should be overturned in our churches? Who are the Pilates that we should declare Christ’s kingship to, even on threat of death? Who are the Pharisees today, the “other” Christians, or we who think we are already right to judge them?
In Transforming Power, Robert Linthicum reminds us that in the book of Luke there are 133 stories involving Jesus. In 116 of them, he is confrontational. 45 of those times, he was confronting his friends.Linthicum lays out two kinds of power: unilateral (vertical) and relational (lateral). Both can be used for good or evil. It is our responsibility, as believers, to use both of these kinds of power.
How can we exercise these kinds of power responsibly?
- Civil Disobedience
- Direct Confrontation
- Indirect Agitation
“We have been called by the Revolutionary One to demonstrate our love for him, with insubordinate acts of generosity and kindness, with a struggle against injustice, with an activist’s vision for a renewed world in which God is acknowledged as the one, true God, and every knee is bent in service to him.” (Michael Frost, Exiles)
A couple of confrontations that Jesus instigated:
READ [Matthew 21: 12 – 17]The only time Jesus became agressively (physically) confrontational, it was because his people were being unwelcoming. The merchants' tables were set up in the Gentile quarter, where the Gentiles were supposed to be able to offer worship in the temple.
READ [John 2: 13 – 25] The Temple story from John's perspective.Instead of asking what should we do, let’s ask what will be the consequences of us doing what Jesus would do?
- We will be judged by the religiously pious.
- The marginalized will feel welcomed by us.
- The poor around us will not have need.
- Made into outcasts.
- Sent to jail.
- We’ll see miracles.
- Expectation of death.
A love that requires explanation [Gregory Boyd]
To ask questions that require explanation is appropriate confrontational love if done in the right motive. For instance, if the church is not drawing in the prostitutes, poor, marginalized, corrupt and lost, whose fault is it? The Lord’s? The church’s? A love for Christ and his concerns is behind the question, if it is received by others who love Christ, it will be received in love. If it is received by those who judge, the questioner will be judged for having asked the question.
Do you want to be like Jesus? Do you believe that your behavior in this case exemplifies Christ?
How do you respond when someone is against marginalized people in the church and holds a position of political power? With a spirit of humility. Where does it say that in the Bible?
If the corporations of Canada are milking the poverty of the world’s third world countries to line the pockets of rich CEO’s what should we be doing? If the lifestyle of the average Canadian is 4 times greater than the sustainability margin of the earth, what should we do? Lobby, don’t purchase from those companies, etc.
READ [Matthew 23:1-36] “Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 “The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the Scriptures. 3 So practice and obey whatever they say to you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach. 4 They crush you with impossible religious demands and never lift a finger to help ease the burden...5 “Everything they do is for show. ..13 “How terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you won’t let others enter the Kingdom of Heaven, and you won’t go in yourselves. 15 Yes, how terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn him into twice the son of hell as you yourselves are. ..23 “How terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest part of your income, but you ignore the important things of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but you should not leave undone the more important things. 24 Blind guides! You strain your water so you won’t accidentally swallow a gnat; then you swallow a camel!25 “How terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites!...27 “How terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs—beautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead people’s bones and all sorts of impurity. 28 You try to look like upright people outwardly, but inside your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness.29 “How terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! ... 33 Snakes! Sons of vipers! How will you escape the judgment of hell? ...36 I assure you, all the accumulated judgment of the centuries will break upon the heads of this very generation.”
ouch.
There is a dichotomy/tension between the older and younger Christians when they interpret this passage– how do you work toward peace and holiness? Reconciliation. Issues are never the issues. Look for the deeper meaning behind what Jesus says.
Jesus confronted these individuals for what reasons? Pharisees weren’t letting people into the Kingdom even though they weren’t getting in themselves. Is this confrontation prideful?What should we confront in our own lives? Our churches? Our city? Our country? Whatever the issues, there are Biblical principles to address each of them with – we should be aiming on the original intention of God.
Jesus and the Roman leadership:
- His direct confrontation with Caesar: [Matthew 21:15-22 (Mark 12, Luke 20)] Render to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s. What belongs to Ceasar? Everything with his image on it. What belongs to God? Everything (including Caesar!).
- His direct confrontation with Pilate: [John 18: 28-19:16]28 Jesus’ trial before Caiaphas ended in the early hours of the morning. Then he was taken to the headquarters of the Roman governor. His accusers didn’t go in themselves because it would defile them, and they wouldn’t be allowed to celebrate the Passover feast. 29 So Pilate, the governor, went out to them and asked, “What is your charge against this man?” 30 “We wouldn’t have handed him over to you if he weren’t a criminal!” they retorted. 31 “Then take him away and judge him by your own laws,” Pilate told them.“Only the Romans are permitted to execute someone,” the Jewish leaders replied. 32 This fulfilled Jesus’ prediction about the way he would die.33 Then Pilate went back inside and called for Jesus to be brought to him. “Are you the King of the Jews?” he asked him.34 Jesus replied, “Is this your own question, or did others tell you about me?”35 “Am I a Jew?” Pilate asked. “Your own people and their leading priests brought you here. Why? What have you done?” 36 Then Jesus answered, “I am not an earthly king. If I were, my followers would have fought when I was arrested by the Jewish leaders. But my Kingdom is not of this world.” 37 Pilate replied, “You are a king then?” “You say that I am a king, and you are right,” Jesus said. “I was born for that purpose. And I came to bring truth to the world. All who love the truth recognize that what I say is true.”38 “What is truth?” Pilate asked. Then he went out again to the people and told them, “He is not guilty of any crime. 39 But you have a custom of asking me to release someone from prison each year at Passover. So if you want me to, I’ll release the King of the Jews.”40 But they shouted back, “No! Not this man, but Barabbas!” (Barabbas was a criminal.)19 Then Pilate had Jesus flogged with a lead-tipped whip. 2 The soldiers made a crown of long, sharp thorns and put it on his head, and they put a royal purple robe on him. 3 “Hail! King of the Jews!” they mocked, and they hit him with their fists. 4 Pilate went outside again and said to the people, “I am going to bring him out to you now, but understand clearly that I find him not guilty.” 5 Then Jesus came out wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe. And Pilate said, “Here is the man!” 6 When they saw him, the leading priests and Temple guards began shouting, “Crucify! Crucify!” “You crucify him,” Pilate said. “I find him not guilty.” 7 The Jewish leaders replied, “By our laws he ought to die because he called himself the Son of God.” 8 When Pilate heard this, he was more frightened than ever. 9 He took Jesus back into the headquarters again and asked him, “Where are you from?” But Jesus gave no answer. 10 “You won’t talk to me?” Pilate demanded. “Don’t you realize that I have the power to release you or to crucify you?” 11 Then Jesus said, “You would have no power over me at all unless it were given to you from above. So the one who brought me to you has the greater sin.” 12 Then Pilate tried to release him, but the Jewish leaders told him, “If you release this man, you are not a friend of Caesar. Anyone who declares himself a king is a rebel against Caesar.” 13 When they said this, Pilate brought Jesus out to them again. Then Pilate sat down on the judgment seat on the platform that is called the Stone Pavement (in Hebrew, Gabbatha). 14 It was now about noon of the day of preparation for the Passover. And Pilate said to the people,* “Here is your king!” 15 “Away with him,” they yelled. “Away with him—crucify him!” “What? Crucify your king?” Pilate asked.“We have no king but Caesar,” the leading priests shouted back.16 Then Pilate gave Jesus to them to be crucified.
Jesus is confronting authority of Pilate and Caesar in a different way than his confrontation of the Pharisees. Saying God isn’t a King is as serious offence as saying that Caesar is above God. When we are to confront the powers-at-be, we are to do it with a degree of respect, and to confront the appropriate issues: unlove, lack of justice, lack of faith, etc.
Are we replicating the temple in our own churches with bookstores, coffee stands, etc.? What are the tables that should be overturned in our churches? Who are the Pilates that we should declare Christ’s kingship to, even on threat of death? Who are the Pharisees today, the “other” Christians, or we who think we are already right to judge them?
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BTW - There's a Doubting Paris concert to raise awareness for social housing in Vancouver on Saturday:
New Dodson Pub, 25 E Hastings (Enter through hotel lobby)
Doors Open @ 7pm
No Cover, No Minors
Call 604.839.3267 for more info.
Dawn and I are going and it would be cool to see some of you out there too. cheers!
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Anonymous, at 10:58 AM
Bookstores and coffee stands, fees for conventions, camps, luncheons and even missions trips - all of these sort of fall under the umbrella of monies paid to the church. In a way, they all could be said to encourage consumption.
But, do they really parallel the goings-on of the temple back in Matthew 21? The things they were selling in the temple were for the purpose of sacrifice. Jesus could have been confrontation as a result of the exploitation of the people within the church.
If we were looking to draw parallels from that incident with our present church, I don't think that bookstores and coffee stands would be the biggest issues. Wouldn't a pastor telling his congregation that giving money to the church will lead to them being blessed by God? Is that not a form of exploitation?
I'm not necessarily a fan of bookstores and coffee shops in churches - the argument that they are propagating consumerism is valid, but they also contribute to building community. Consumerism, to some degree or another, will be a part of our church. Whether it's right or not, I can't make that call.
Are we concerning ourselves with the "right" tables?
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Anonymous, at 4:18 PM
I guess you're asking, "Where are we inhibiting people from entering the Kingdom of God"...
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Anonymous, at 6:29 PM
CJ- Oh dang it Id be there but unless i can come 2800 miles in 12 hours i cant make it!(maybe you'll walk by my old stoping grounds where i spent 8months! The "Ivan hoe hotel" great place oh yes its true! got in to more talks about Jesus in that place in that 8months then ive ever had in the last 7 years! before that (im kinda regreting visiting family for this long!but just waiting for the contract to end!!!) but anyway RANT TIME!!!!! social housing... hmmm after the Oympic in 2010.. and they turn the villiage in to places for people to live since there gonna be 1600 new places for people to live you think they will turn that in to social housing.. i dount it there probably jack up the rent like all other places in van... I say boycott oympics!!! down with 2010!!!! over 400million spend on constuction for the oympics! come on like seriously!!!! to get from the "media centre" (convention centre) to the pne(pacific colloseum sp? i didnt past grade one! ha)(where some of the ice skaking stuff is gonna happen) you have to walk or drive by the "WAISTINGS" area like hmmm spend maybe the 400 million on food, homes, centre to help people with there addictions.. they dont want help build Jails.. dont just stop them on the street and take the "stuff" away from them and give them a Ticket and say here your court date cause you dont have enough space in jail to arest them all! seen it happen it was mind boggling...but it not my Job to Judge.. COMMON SENCE!!! but they all think the olympics will poor million of dollars in to the enconimy! they better be right 6000 homeless by 2010?? WHat the *radio edit* only one olympics has made a profit!!!! 88'Calgary and who pays for it all the taxpayers! evenually!... sorry i just felt like ranting! it all easy said then done!.. i know! so there my pointless book for the week...
Niko Fetatanko
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mrfetatanko, at 4:36 AM
I got to go with Lindsay and Denver on this one --
if its building community, like we all know coffee does, and the money is going to good use, sounds good to me, as long as its not getting in the way of people entering the Kingdom -- its when a homeless dude comes in and asks for a coffee, and they don't serve him, but I don't really think thats happening at our church -- correct me if I'm wrong
I guess its a little like the (RED) campaign --- flip, its quite sad that the only way Bono sees the west rally helping Africa is by taking advantage of their consumerism. Its sad, but brilliant. I don't know if its right, unfortunately, the original intent of generosity has been lost on most of the world --- but having some smart people realize that they can help those who need it by taking advantage of the greedy, hmmm... quite ugly, but something to it -- not the original intent by a long shot
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Anonymous, at 7:27 PM
oh yeah coffe shop in a church i find nothing wrong with it i mean if the money is going to something "useful" like example the money goes directly to missions.. there a church that i go to here that had all this renovations to the church 1.1 million to be exact.. and they put a cafe in the church... now it purpose is any money they recieve goes directly to missions...and also you ask i friend to go for coffee and they come to the church for coffe like josh above me said... now heres a question should there be a bank machine installed in A church? alot of churches do it... would that put a reputation that the church just wants money... i think it would make the church have a reputation like that i dont think that good reputation to have...
Niko Fetatanko
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Anonymous, at 2:00 PM
Our system of turning people off of Christ; is how we play "church" like children play "house".
It involves us doing the fun parts, doing the parts that we want over the parts that we need. It involves us ignoring the things that truly matter and that we should conciously and honestly be responsible for.
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Anonymous, at 11:21 PM
Tables turned?... it wasn't the fact that the priests were selling sacrificial animals for a big profit - yes so they were ripping people off - but the real issue with Jesus is that they were doing it in the court of the gentiles - stopping humanity from seeing God and coming to worship him. Tables that need to be turned over - are any tables that we put up ourselves that may stop people from seeing Christ - and the pharisees are people that have all the rules and no heart for those who need grace - lots of those in Broadway. At times I am a pharisee - but I want my life to speak Jesus - and not to allow legalism or churchanese rules get in the way of people encountering Christ in a tangible manner.
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Anonymous, at 1:23 PM
this really has nothing it do with this topic but its on my heart its about giving your "tithe" as a "charible donation" time and time again im seeing it "if tithe to the church you'll get a "tax reciept" i dont think churches should be saying that!... if church and state are suppose to be seprate why as a church are we depending on the state to give us a break every year on our taxes?? i think the church is to afaird that if the givers dont get the "tax receipt" they wont give.. not really depend on God is it" like ok so you give you "tithe" but get back 33.3 percent of it.. at end of the year your not really giving your full tithe to God.. i think the church should not be considered a "chariblie organization" more on this later...
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mrfetatanko, at 3:14 PM
"The pharisees are people that have all the rules and no heart for those who need grace - lots of those in Broadway."
Ballsy statement. Hope you attend Broadway and have relationships with the people in order to make that...ahem... judgement.
I think the argument for sacrifical animals could better be attributed to the issue of bookstores, etc in churches.
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Anonymous, at 4:01 PM
Ohh... Anonymous #1. I see your point and, in a poor way, was trying to say the same thing. In looking back at what I wrote, my intention was to redirect the attention away from bookstores/coffee shops (in response to a question on Thursday)-- things that aren't so important in the whole scheme of things -- and toward bigger issues within the church.
Unclear? Yes. I own it. Admit it. Confused myself. Trying to process a few things at once isn't so great.
In light of Anonymous #2, I think they've got a point. Personally, I'm starting to find it a little frustrating listening to individuals, with little or no connection to Broadway, throwing out judgments.
I'll leave it there.
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Anonymous, at 5:08 PM
Anonymous #1 and #2,
Please state your names for the record. It would be helpful if you would enter in relationship with the rest of us. Introduce yourselves and take credit for your comments. As Lindsay mentioned, it would be great to know if you have some kind of relationship with Broadway while you are making critical statements. Believe me, I make my fair share of critical statements about Broadway, but I doubt anyone could accuse me of not being involved, invested, or caring about the church.
Step into the light please.
Thanks.
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Anonymous, at 9:42 PM
yes please state you name on here theres much love in it.. if you do!
CJ-how was Doubting Paris last saturday anyway? i dont know who Doubting paris is... what was said about social housing?
niko fetatanko-29days till work end yes! im so excited!
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mrfetatanko, at 3:43 AM
i think that it all comes back to what denver and josh commented, about us not hindering people who enter our doors. broadway does a crazy amount of good within our immediate community, and while i have my issues with things that i don't agree with within broadway, i think we need to be careful about throwing out words like pharisee, unless we are talking about ourselves. we are not called to make judgements just for sake of feeling better about ourselves. if we are going to criticize people within broadway, this topic clearly teaches us that we need to then take these criticisms through the steps of biblical confrontation. Jesus was acting out of righteous anger, and he went straight to those whose behaviour he was angry with. he didn't sit around with his disciples and complain about the pharisees, he confronted them.
remember, it's all about love.
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Rachel, at 8:04 PM
I have a question... see when it says in scripture about judgement and not supose to judge one another yada yada yada.. I say it that way... cause i believer its there only for us not to judge non- believers! really were not "judging" believers were just holding them accountible... and yes ok your not supose be able to hold someone accountable unless the person ask you too... but i mean like really look at it how many people when they feel someones judging them only say " bACK OFF BUDDY you have no right to speak in to my life and judge me" is cause they know there something in there lives they need to kick the habbit or start to do... not always i know! but 9 time out of 10 we will say... so are we really judging the body? which i have no problem with... cause i see it as accountibility...so is the "judgement" people says is coming against them really only accountibility but it is judgement if the persons not a "servant of the Jesus" (i refuse like the christian label)
so dose this make sence or am i just making this up in my head to make my actions seem ok.. thinking im holding this person accountible who for the record never asked me to.. but im a believer we should hold the whole body accountible... who cares if they ask.... your in "the body" together and you would expect the same from them!
and then if your in an equal acountiblity "friendship" how far dose accountiblity go before it becomes judgement???? wheres the line? did i just answer my own question that its judgement if the person dosent want you to speack in to there lives? but its acountibility if the the person agrees to it? regraudless if your a believer or not?
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mrfetatanko, at 1:23 AM
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